Finding Root Causes of Conditions by Looking at Genetics with Dr. J Dunn



    Ever wondered about your genes and overall health?  In today's episode, we will talk about just that with Dr. J Dunn. We go over wholistic kinesiology and wholistic methylation. For over 30 years, she has practiced natural medicine, researched, and taught her groundbreaking techniques to hundreds of individuals who, like her, are on a quest to find an alternative solution to allopathic medicine.

    Dr. Dunn began her career in the Natural Health Industry after a long bout of ill health, which drove her to seek out alternative healing methods.  The results she experienced piqued her interest in Kinesiology, and she decided to study and learn this amazing technique herself.  She eventually developed her own technique, combining anatomy, physiology, emotional work, bodywork, and nutrition to create Wholistic Kinesiology. 

    Her philosophy is to treat the person as a whole being, not just a collection of parts and symptoms.

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    [00:00:49] Kelly Stanton: Today we're excited to talk with Dr. Dunn, who is the author of the book holistic kinesiology. and Perfect health in paradise. She's also the CEO of My Happy Genes and creator and innovator of holistic kinesiology and holistic methylation. For over 30 years, she's practiced natural medicine researched and taught her groundbreaking techniques to hundreds of individuals who like her are on a quest to find an alternative solution to alopathic medicine. Dr. Dunn began her career in the natural health industry after a long bout of ill health, which drove her to seek out alternative healing methods, the results she experienced piqued her interest in kinesiology, and she decided to study and learn this amazing technique herself.

    [00:01:33] Kelly Stanton: She eventually developed her own techniques, combining anatomy, physiology, emotional work, body work, and nutrition to create holistic KSI. Her philosophy is to treat the person as a whole being, not just a collection of parts and symptoms. And with that, let's bring her in. 


    [00:01:50] Kelly Stanton: Hi, Dr. J Thanks for being on the show today.

    [00:01:53] Dr. J Dunn: Hey Kelly, thanks for the invitation. 

    [00:01:56] Kelly Stanton: Absolutely. We know you're an expert in natural health care, genetics, biochemistry, mental health, and nutrition, and you have an expansive background. Can you tell us about it? 

    [00:02:08] Dr. J Dunn: Yeah that's kind of a wide range of things and I wanna compliment you on being able to pronounce methylation 

    [00:02:15] Kelly Stanton: that chemistry degree comes in handy sometimes.

    [00:02:17] Dr. J Dunn: A lot of people stumble over that one and I did too when I first learned it, but so yeah, I, I did start my career as a lot of, uh, practitioners do healthcare practitioners do with my own health struggles. And couldn't find I was raised in the medical model, the alopathic model, and really couldn't find good answers there, they just sort of seemed to wanna cover up symptoms. And so that kind of led me to trying to understand where my symptoms are coming from really looking at root causes. And so that kind of led me down the path of kinesiology, which I love, which is muscle testing essentially. And that led me into really falling in love with nutrition biochemistry. And then ultimately leading me down the road toward genetics and, uh, that I'm passionate about. And as you mentioned, you know, you kind of geek out on biochemistry and, and genetics and the nutrition piece, which I'm massively in love with, cause it just really, it really gets to the true root cause of diseases in a, in a way that's I don't think, uh, well known yet, but is going to become well known in the future.

    [00:03:29] Kelly Stanton: definitely. You're the originator of holistic kinesiology and holistic methylation. Tell us a little bit about each of those. 

    [00:03:37] Dr. J Dunn: Yeah, so I learned some different techniques from different people with the kinesiology and they all seem to have you know, pieces of the puzzle that I liked and seemed to fit together. And so I kind of put 'em all together in my own system, which a lot of practitioners kind of do that. They do their own, their own system. Uh, I tried to simplify kinesiology and, and muscle testing and put it into a real simple system. And that I taught for many years since 1991 through 2015 or so I was teaching that and largely to lay people which, you know, caught some flack in the medical industry.

    [00:04:15] Dr. J Dunn: I loved teaching, just lay people how to test, you know, supplements or test foods, or just kind of guide them in their daily life on best things to eat or take or et cetera. And then, I noticed that, you know, in my practice I had a very good successful practice in Albuquerque, New Mexico for 32 years, as a chiropractor, kinesiologist, nutritionist, we did emotional work.

    [00:04:39] Dr. J Dunn: I had sort of the whole spectrum of therapies. Very very good results, but there was a subset of people that I couldn't get anywhere with. And that, you know, those as a practitioner, those are the people we think about. When we go home, we go, God, what, what are we missing? There must be a missing piece.

    [00:04:55] Dr. J Dunn: And some other things kind of led me to believe there was a missing piece. One of which was my father who died of cancer when he was 55 lung cancer, but he did everything to get lung cancer, you know, smoking and drinking and not exercising it, you know, nothing healthy. but the mystery was that his best friend ended up marrying my mom doing the same things.

    [00:05:17] Dr. J Dunn: The exact same lifestyles lived another 30 years. And so I went, you know, the only thing you can say about that. That's genes right there. That's good genes. 

    [00:05:25] Kelly Stanton: Yeah. That's biology, right? the variability. 

    [00:05:29] Dr. J Dunn: And in the past, you know, what we would say was we don't know how we don't know how that works. We just know that has to be genetic.

    [00:05:35] Dr. J Dunn: You know, we kind of parked it over there as, as something we didn't know how to really kind of get into and study. And then I started hearing this word methylation that we were talking about and. . I was like, what is, what am I, what am I hearing here? What is this word? And started really take a deep dive into understanding methylation, which is like one of the biochemical pathways in the body largely affected by genetic variants that can affect how well we repair our DNA, how well we detox, how well we make neurotransmitters or brain chemicals, how well we break down histamine, it can lead to allergies. So it was, I was like, wow, this seems big. And you know, MTHFR was the first gene that we knew something about the methylene Tetra, hydro folate reductase, enzyme is coded by gene.

    [00:06:27] Dr. J Dunn: And if you have a variant there, if you've inherited a variant, it can cause that enzyme to not function well and the ultimate purpose of that enzyme is to turn folic acid into the active form of folic acid. And if you can't do that, then you can't methylate correctly and it leads to myriad of symptoms and phenotypes or disease, uh, risks, down the line.

    [00:06:50] Dr. J Dunn: So I started to go, whoa, that's, that's a pretty big concept. And then, you know, it had expanded from there. And one of the genes that I got tested on, early on, I did the 23 and me put that through some, templates and got my own report. And one of the genes that kind of caught my eye was the vitamin D receptor gene, the VDR gene. do you know about that one? Kelly, 

    [00:07:13] Kelly Stanton: Yeah, a little bit, just share a little more detail there for our audience. 

    [00:07:17] Dr. J Dunn: Yeah. So the vitamin D receptor, our DNA encodes tells our body how to make certain enzymes. And one of which is a receptor called vitamin D receptor. So you can imagine if you don't make that receptor correctly you don't absorb vitamin D well, and so, you know, if you know anything about natural healing, you know, how important vitamin D is for so many things, including the immune system, bone health turns out brain health, uh, autoimmune disease, et cetera, et cetera, huge list of things that are associated with if you've inherited a genetic variant there.

    [00:07:54] Dr. J Dunn: So I, I jumped in and I went, all right, I'm gonna do the research, went to PubMed and started researching about the vitamin D receptor. And one of the first studies I ran across was, a study that showed that when you have a genetic variant there you're highly susceptible to lung cancer when you smoke.

    [00:08:10] Dr. J Dunn: And I went, ah, ah, that explains what happened to my dad. And so I have the same gene, but the other interesting thing was I had suffered from depression my entire life, since I was a little girl. always had kind of pretty heavy duty bouts of depression. Nothing I did in my natural healing world, or, uh, even alopathic world had any effect on my depression.

    [00:08:35] Dr. J Dunn: I couldn't, I couldn't fix it now. I tried everything. Believe me. And then when I started to look at how does that vitamin D receptor work, what are its cofactors? So cofactors mean, if you give the body higher than normal levels of a particular nutrient, it can upregulate the function of that enzyme.

    [00:08:53] Dr. J Dunn: So for the vitamin D receptor, the cofactors were vitamin K2 and A and so I started taking the co-factors and vitamin D and boom, my depression was gone. I mean, 55 years of depression gone. And oh my God. I think this is happy. I've never felt it before. I've heard about it. 

    [00:09:12] Kelly Stanton: Wow. 

    [00:09:13] Dr. J Dunn: Yeah, it was stunning.

    [00:09:14] Kelly Stanton: That's an an incredible story. 

    [00:09:16] Dr. J Dunn: Holy moly. It, changed my life and I was like, oh my gosh, if that's true of this gene, how do we work with other genes that are that affect brain chemistry that affect energy production pathways, histamine pathway. Nitric oxide, all the biochemical pathways in the body.

    [00:09:33] Dr. J Dunn: Are there other genes that respond the same way? Can we, make up for genetic variance through precision targeted nutrients? And the answer was yes, and there's lots of good research behind that. And so I started to put the whole thing together in a system I called holistic methylation so we were looking at not just methylation, we were looking at sutric acid cycle.

    [00:09:57] Dr. J Dunn: We were looking at, you know, histamine path, all the pathways that kind of interrelated. And I put together this system of how you know, the pathways fit together and how to look at genes that that would affect those systems. And so that I taught around the country, uh, I have over 500 doctors who actually practice holistic methylation now.

    [00:10:17] Dr. J Dunn: And then at a certain point, I said, gosh, I think we could create a software program that would do that. And so that's where I created My Happy Genes I started to say, oh yeah, we could help millions of people. You know, if we could create a software program where we do their DNA test, we analyze their genetics, look at what symptoms they're experiencing and then give them a printout that says here's your best diet, lifestyle supplementation, that's gonna balance out your genes. And so that's what I set out to do, and that's what I've done with my happy genes. So yeah.

    [00:10:54] Kelly Stanton: That's awesome and incredible. I've had an opportunity to work on a few, pharmaceutical products that were rooted in things like vitamins and, and mineral balance and, and those kinds of things. And then making those, um, you know, injectable because can't eat enough of a water soluble vitamin, right. To get to certain therapeutic levels depending on what you're trying to accomplish. So from that perspective, it's interesting to tie it all back to the genetics and, and wow. That's wow. to make a roadmap that is so individual is, really. That's phenomenal. 

    [00:11:29] Dr. J Dunn: Yeah. And that's the thing, you know, that a lot of people forget, you know, there's no one size fits all, whether it's diet, lifestyle supplementation, so you can't really take a multiple vitamin and then, and satisfy what's going on. In fact, you could be throwing certain, pathways out of balance with things that are in a multiple.

    [00:11:48] Dr. J Dunn: So what we do is design basically design the multiple for that person around their genetics and kind of like what their genes are doing, whether they're expressing or not. And in that way, you know, we just individually kind of like it's, it's almost like cheating 

    [00:12:04] Kelly Stanton: I feel like it's that next step towards more holistic wellness though. I mean, we've had some other folks on the show where we've talked about some personalized therapeutics and there are lots of, you know, like gene therapies and gene based therapies, especially in the cancer realms. Right. But how do we stop people from even getting to that place? Dealing with the cancer. You've got to go all the way back as you're doing. 

    [00:12:28] Dr. J Dunn: Right. Right. And the thing about genes is, you know, your genes aren't gonna change, but the expression of them can change. And that's, you know, that's, we call it epigenetics. So you can actually change, your phenotype or how your body expresses, whether it's high energy or low energy tends to gain weight tends to lose weight, tend to be happy or depressed or anxious, or all of those things are, are modifiable through the combination of nutrients when you get it, when you get it just right. So it's pretty exciting, you know? And so therefore you can reduce your risk of cancer by understanding what is the genetic sort of process underneath that leads you to be susceptible to cancer?

    [00:13:08] Dr. J Dunn: So, um, yeah, it's super exciting. I'm really very excited about the brain chemistry part of it. And that's why we called it My Happy Genes because not only my personal story, you know, of, pulling myself out of 50, some years of depression, but I see this on a regular basis with my patients.

    [00:13:27] Dr. J Dunn: They come back and they go, oh my God. same thing. I think this is happy or this is calm. I've never felt calm in my life or my ability to focus is there, if they've had ADD or one of the most exciting things is, addictions, you know, we're seeing, if you flood the brain with enough dopamine, let's say, uh, they lose their craving for addictions, and I've seen it happen with methamphetamines, with heroin, alcohol, what, you know, all the possible addiction kind of things. When we get our brain chemistry balanced, you just lose your desire for it. So part of my mission is to kind of change people's, uh, it's a paradigm shift, basically, change people's perception of, you know, we look at depressed people and we go, can't they just be happy can't they just decide to be happy.

    [00:14:18] Dr. J Dunn: You're like, no, I couldn't. But once I changed my physiology. Yeah, I could, I can. It's a lot easier when you're your brain makes serotonin and dopamine and same with weight gain. You know, we look at people and we go, why don't they just put down the donut and go for a walk and it's like, no, their bodies are designed to hold onto weight and to have lower energy.

    [00:14:40] Dr. J Dunn: And that's their ancestors kind of survive during times of like low calories. Therefore they inherited the genes that make them susceptible to gaining weight very easily when they're is an abundance of calories around and makes, make some crave sugars. So if we design a supplement program around that, they lose their craving for sugar.

    [00:15:00] Dr. J Dunn: They suddenly have enough energy to go out for a walk. So we have it backwards. It's not about willpower. It's about understanding why they're doing that. You know, why do they feel the need for sugar? Why can't they exercise? You know, what is that? And so it's a much deeper level of understanding the physiology. I call it genetic compassion. 

    [00:15:21] Kelly Stanton: That's awesome. And it gives people too. I think it's empowering because I think as someone who struggles with my weight, right? Why can't I not eat the donut? Like so that's, that's awesome. And so, you know, you mentioned earlier that you've been teaching practitioners around the world about this you've taught about 500 so far. Sounds like reception is, is good and, and people are open to it. How is that going for you? 

    [00:15:45] Dr. J Dunn: Yeah, it, it really is because, you know, these are practitioners that I'm talking about and a lot of them had the same experience. They're like, yeah, I don't understand. there's a subset of people that I can't really get anywhere with, or I'm constantly working on the same issue with this patient over and over again.

    [00:16:01] Dr. J Dunn: What is that? And you look at, you know, even people that live in the same environment, you know, one person is struggling with heavy metal toxicity and the other person, no issue. And so you're like, what is that? That's genes. So yes, they were looking for that answer. They were looking for that missing piece of the health puzzle.

    [00:16:21] Dr. J Dunn: And as they start to work with it, they see that paradigm shift, you know, um, to give you an example, you you're familiar with functional medicine yeah. So in functional medicine, which I'm a practitioner of, and that's the way I practiced for many years, we looked at conditions like, oh, this is, um, this is leaky gut, or this is a viral infection, underlying viral infection or an autoimmune disease. And we treat it accordingly. So we attacked kind of that principle, but in the genetic kind of realm in this paradigm shift, we go, but why is that virus there? Why isn't the body attacking it? Why isn't the body getting rid of it?

    [00:16:59] Dr. J Dunn: Because. Another person could be, you know, could be exposed to the same virus and not get sick. What is that? So, um, it's again, a deeper level of understanding. What, where does that leaky gut coming from? there's often a genetic variant underneath there that makes them susceptible to that. So it's like deeper, deeper, deeper.

    [00:17:18] Dr. J Dunn: We're getting into causative kind of conditions all the way from an alopathic medicine. We're looking at let's cover up the symptoms. You know, they got a headache, give 'em an aspirin, right. You go to a functional medicine practitioner, they go, Hmm maybe it's something you're eating. You go to a genetic practitioner or a holistic methylation practitioner and they go, well, yeah, maybe it's something you're eating, but why are you reacting to that?

    [00:17:41] Dr. J Dunn: Ah, there's a gene there. And if we give you vitamin C, then you won't react to that food and the headaches will stop. So it's like, oh, going deeper and deeper. So it's, it's pretty fun to find that true cause yeah.

    [00:17:53] Kelly Stanton: That, that is incredible. Definitely. So you started this project then to help the world become happier and healthier making the most of their genetic potential.

    [00:18:00] Kelly Stanton: Uh, called my happy jeans. Um, you wanna talk about that project specifically a little bit more in detail for us? 

    [00:18:07] Dr. J Dunn: Yeah. And so it just all started, you know, with over a cup of coffee on the porch as all good projects do. Right. And, uh, I was talking with a friend of mine. I'm like, what if we could create a software program that would do this. So we not only do we look at like one gene, one supplement or one gene, one particular issue. We look at the interplay of genes. And so when I thought about it, it was like the only thing that can do this really efficiently is a software program where we can look. Okay. What is the interaction? If this gene with that gene, with that doing with that would, you know, calculate all the genes.

    [00:18:45] Dr. J Dunn: And so, uh, we contacted a friend who found us a really great software development team out of Albuquerque, New Mexico called ingenuity software labs. And we proposed this to them. We said, Hey, can you create an algorithm that could triangulate, the gene interactions? The biochemistry, the biochemistry pathways like methylation and then the symptoms that the patient is experiencing.

    [00:19:10] Dr. J Dunn: So just because you have a gene doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna express, so we wanna see, oh yeah, it's expressing this person is depressed. They have the VDR gene and they have this other gene to, you know, it would calculate all those things. And they said, yeah, yeah, we can do that. So it's been, about four or five years in the development.

    [00:19:30] Dr. J Dunn: And, it's a really agile program, which is awesome because when I read about a new gene that I wanna add in there, I can do it. I can go on the backside. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. Plug in a new gene. So what we did was recreated sliders that looks at okay. Your risk of let's say, um, alcohol addiction. We calculate all the genes that are associated with alcohol addiction and look at, do you have a variant there? Have you inherited. Uh, homozygous heterozygous, normal gene. So, just to back up for a second, so you get one gene from mom, one gene from dad. If you have a variation in the normal sequence of that gene, that's coded for an enzyme.

    [00:20:10] Dr. J Dunn: Let's say that enzyme is gonna be inhibited a little bit. So if you have both parents gave you basically a change in the code that enzyme can be reduced by about 70%. So. In the case of that vitamin D receptor, let's say for me, I had a homozygous variant. In other words, my ability to absorb vitamin D was reduced by about 70%.

    [00:20:32] Dr. J Dunn: So anyway, we look at the slider, so we calculate all the genes in a particular category and it gives you a relative risk. So is it super high, you're highly addicted or have a risk for high addiction to alcohol or low or opioids or depression or anxiety or. Uh, fun ones like novelty seeking behavior or you know, so we look at all the different, um, mood characteristics, and then we look at your health characteristics.

    [00:20:59] Dr. J Dunn: Are you susceptible to cardiovascular disease, autoimmune diseases, COVID infection, and know. So we look at a relative risk, uh, there, and this, this is not to dismiss our environment. You know, that's has a very real effect on the expression of our genes. So it's not like all about genes, but this is a risk.

    [00:21:17] Dr. J Dunn: It's an underlying risk. and then we give your, diet and lifestyle, report that says, oh yeah, alcohol, you know, safe to beneficial. like, Alcohol could be beneficial, but, uh, nightshade foods, you know, salt, tyramine foods, all the different kinds of foods we look at. What's your, what are your best foods?

    [00:21:38] Dr. J Dunn: What's your best diet? So is it high carbohydrate, low carbohydrate, high fat, low fat, high protein, low proteins. So you can really get an idea of, okay, this is my best diet. These are the foods to avoid for me to optimize my genes. And then the supplement report will look at okay. You have this number of symptoms. These are your genes. These are the recommended supplements for you. So it's, those are five reports that we give with my happy genes. 

    [00:22:05] Kelly Stanton: That's that's exciting. And, and also I think could really, you know, people serially diet, or they try over and over again, you know, to, to stop drinking or whatever it is. And so there's so much power in, in the knowledge that you unlock, um, for the body, just to know those things, to help you make those better choices. 

    [00:22:25] Dr. J Dunn: Yeah, for me too, you know, I had read a book called the protein power years ago and I sort of followed the low carb high protein diet for most of my life. Moderately successful with it. But once I, I looked at my diet report, it was like, no, you need complex carbs, higher and complex carbs, lower in fat and lower in protein. I was like, oh man, I've been, you know, and people follow the keto diet and they think they should do high fat or so it's very helpful to know for your genes.

    [00:22:52] Dr. J Dunn: What is, you know, most optimal. 

    [00:22:55] Kelly Stanton: Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Well, we touched on your books that you've published as well. So, holistic kinesiology and perfect health in paradise, then, they out there, how's it going? 

    [00:23:08] Dr. J Dunn: They're on Amazon, both of 'em and, um, holistic kinesiology is more of a manual. You know, to learn how to do muscle testing. It's more for, it was more designed for my course, but lay people like to pick it up. Anybody that is interested in kinesiology could pick it up and. Perfect health in Paradise. This came from one too many vacations where I was sick. you know, like I caught, I got E coli one time in Mexico and just completely ruined my trip and, or you get a virus or you get bit by something or , you know, so it's all the remedies you should take with you when you travel, uh, to avoid things from happening, keeping yourself healthy on trips overseas or locally or whatever. These are the things you should take with you. So in case something comes up to not ruin your vacation. 

    [00:23:58] Kelly Stanton: That's really good to know. You said those are available on Amazon. 

    [00:24:02] Dr. J Dunn: Yeah. Yeah. They are. Third book is coming out soon. It's called Genetic Compassion and it's really kind of what we were talking about, about the compassion piece of this understanding why you are the way you are, and that, you know, again, we kind of beat ourselves up about things that we do, but often they're genetic, you know, uh, again, you know, you were saying, you like, why do I want, why do I crave these things? Why do I crave sugar? It's because your body isn't turning sugar into energy. And so where is the problem down that biochemical pathway?

    [00:24:34] Dr. J Dunn: If we get the right nutrient there, it'll open up that pathway and you'll go, don't even want sugar. It's your body telling you something oh, man. Why can't you just stop? it's just not that way at all. I look at it as a symptom, not a cause anymore. And, uh, so that's the compassion piece. Yeah.

    [00:24:51] Kelly Stanton: Interesting. Well, and I suppose it'd be a topic for another day. How gut bacteria and gut health play into all of those sorts of things too, is another piece of that puzzle. 

    [00:25:02] Dr. J Dunn: It really is, the cliff notes. Uh, there are certain genetic variants that will alter your gut flora. that are gonna lead to, you know, increased small intestine bowel overgrowth, right. The bacterial overgrowth. Um, so when you get those balanced, the body goes about clearing that all up and repairing your gut, flora. So it's definitely in there, it's in the program, the holistic methylation program kind of addresses that, but at the core level, not like, okay, we gotta. put good bacteria in there or kill off the bad bacteria. So interesting different paradigm. 

    [00:25:37] Kelly Stanton: Well, so broadly speaking then, where do you see genetic testing in natural medicine in five years, 10 years. What's the future of that look like? 

    [00:25:45] Dr. J Dunn: Gosh, if I have my way, Kelly,

    [00:25:50] Kelly Stanton: We'll make you queen for a day, right? 

    [00:25:53] Dr. J Dunn: I just would love to see everybody do that. I'm my gosh, all the things that we could prevent. You know, I had a, talk with a gentleman yesterday who lost his son to, suicide and how depressed he was. He was 19 years old and went out and killed himself. And I'm like, oh my God, there's so many people who are struggling, especially with mental health issue. All kinds of issues, but I just really feel like genetics, give us an incredible insight into why that's happening and a way to turn it around with natural medicine. So in my view of the world, All the medical health practitioners will start to look at natural methods and understanding the science. It is science. It's not just, uh, some natural healthcare guru out there saying you should eat healthy. it's science. Right. 

    [00:26:42] Kelly Stanton: As you rightly pointed out earlier, what eating healthy looks like for one person to the next is different. And that's, what's so hard about that.

    [00:26:48] Dr. J Dunn: Exactly. And there's just so many people and so many different opinions about it. And so, you know, what's right for you is gonna be very different than what's right for somebody else. But I would love to see the medical establishment start. Looking at this first, before they do prescription medications. That's not to say there isn't a place for that, but I would like to see the world kind of shift in its, uh, focus toward understanding the genetics and the natural remedies that can help that expression. 

    [00:27:15] Kelly Stanton: Well, and in that place where those, you know, thinking about depression, for example, and, and where some of those medications might actually be appropriate. How much faster you could help someone in less side effects. If you knew how those things played with certain genes and tied that all together, then you could say, look, this person benefits from vitamin D K and A this other person really does need. Zoloft, right? Like you could, you could make some different decisions there.

    [00:27:41] Dr. J Dunn: Yeah, very much so. And, uh, I think that would save a lot of trouble, a lot of side effects, you know, and just a lot of heartbreak and suffering that, that happens in the world. So especially now it's a big, it's a big deal. You know, mental health is, is a huge problem right now. Worsened by COVID.

    [00:28:00] Kelly Stanton: Definitely. Definitely. If you could go back and tell yourself something at the start of your career, what would that be? Wow, that's a great I love that question. It's one of my favorites. 

    [00:28:13] Dr. J Dunn: oh, that's a big question. I think it would be not to give up, you know, keep looking, keep looking, keep looking. When you're a natural healthcare practitioner, you think, okay, this is the best I can do., but it's the people that I couldn't get results with that I learned the most from in the long run. So, you know, I wish I had paid better attention to the things that weren't working , you know, and, uh, followed that trail cuz that's, what's really led me down this, everything happens in the right time.

    [00:28:44] Dr. J Dunn: I, I guess, and you learn along the way, but yeah. Maybe that, yeah. And to take better care of myself along the way, cuz , it's exhausting to be healthcare practitioner and a lot of healthcare practitioners don't take good care of themselves, you know, they just kind of drive it into the ground. 

    [00:29:00] Kelly Stanton: Well, where can people go to learn more follow along and connect with you? 

    [00:29:04] Dr. J Dunn: Really good question. They can go to They can go to holistic And I don't know, do you have show notes where you can spell that for people? 

    [00:29:15] Kelly Stanton: we do. Yep. We'll put the links in our show notes. 

    [00:29:18] Dr. J Dunn: Okay. Um, on holistic methylation, you can actually take the courses. I have two, uh, two levels online. So if you're interested in learning more, really understanding the biochemistry, really understanding how the genetics alter the biochemistry. They're all online there. Um, but there's also some links to some intro videos where you can, you know, kind of get a sense of what's going on. I'm on YouTube also, Dr. Jay Dunn and, My Happy Genes on YouTube as well. So there's some videos you can watch there

    [00:29:49] Kelly Stanton: great. Yeah. Awesome. All right. Well, thank you so much for your time today. This has been awesome and exciting, and I can't wait to, follow along and, see where this goes. 

    [00:29:59] Dr. J Dunn: Yeah. Thank you so much, Kelly. I appreciate your inviting me on to talk to people. Thanks for all your hard work.